This is the fourth of a few specific sub-topic posts on the h264 and Wikimedia RFC.
[19:47:54] <lvillaWMF> we have no clout
[19:47:57] <lvillaWMF> because we have no content
[19:48:12] <lvillaWMF> when it comes time to choose the next winning codec
[19:48:12] <lvillaWMF> we can sit at the table and say "we are wikipedia, we like format X" and be ignored
[19:48:13] <lvillaWMF> or we can sit at the table and say "we are wikipedia, and we have a million videos that 1/2B people look at a month, we like format X" and not be ignored
[19:49:11] <lvillaWMF> twkozlowski: because the next time a codec is chosen, it will be between an open codec and a closed codec
I’m going to charitably assume that Luis is referring to the decision of what standard will be “h265″, not “where and when the current h264 standard is implemented”. As stated before, the current IETF webRTC process on decision which codecs are MTI is HAPPENING NOW. And our decision will influence that negatively (if you’re anti-patent-encumbered codecs) or not at all.
[19:58:02] <lvillaWMF> kim_bruning: and the best way we can influence them in the next round, as I said earlier, is to *have content
This next point needs to be stated pretty specifically as Luis’s statement can be read one of a couple ways, and I don’t want to put words into his mouth.
1) Luis’s statement could be read to say that “without h264 support, both for ingest and for viewing, we won’t be able to garner enough videos to have eg 1,000,000 in time for the ”next round”.”
2) Luis’s statement could also be interpreted as “without the ability to ingest h264 video, we won’t be able to garner enough videos to have eg 1,000,000 in time for the ”next round”.”
I think 1 is mostly wrong and I think 2 is only potentially right. We have no numbers, at least on this RFC, to back those statements up.
2 would need only the number of people and/or times that someone tried to upload an h264 video and were either stopped themselves or had their content deleted (and not replaced with a converted version). We might be able to get the part of that with some fancy foot work, but maybe only in order of magnitude precision. The first number is pretty much impossible to get without a rigorous survey of both current users and non-users (which is going to be costly and difficult).
1 would need the above number(s) in addition to a statement on the percentage of devices viewing (and contributing, would be good to have it broken down like that) Wikipedia that ONLY support h264. This needs to include/be aware of users that have plugins installed. I can’t imagine this is the case, but if by some magic, a non-insignificant number of *viewers* are using devices that either natively or with plugins already installed can view WP videos, that says something.
(As always, this is my blog. I may work for WMF, but I don’t speak for them on this blog.)